Fashion police

My column for today is Fashion police, which is, of course, about our experience during the Black Friday protest activity. As you can well imagine, it will be the topic of most of my columns for this week, so let me just point you in the direction of what others, who were there, have written:

Enteng Romano, who was arrested with Dinky, writes about what happened and why.

Edwin Lacierda, who served as Enteng’s lawyer, recounts the experience in The long wait and in The release of the twins (after it was over, two bLAWggers met: La Vida Lawyer had been waiting outside to give moral support).

Sylvia Mayuga also recounts events at City Hall and asks questions about what happened.

Also in the Black Friday Protest Movement blog, pictures and an account of what happened.

Here are the few photos that I took:

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Enteng Romano and Dinky Soliman being interviewed shortly after their abduction and arrest
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Mr. Policeman in his precinct wondering whether his orders were worth it

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Enteng and Dinky awaiting their fate. Beside Dinky is a policewoman well known for her kindness and jolly disposition.
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Western Police District HQ, where Enteng and Dinky were brought. One PC in the office featured this crime-fighting software.

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Another PC in the same office, with more essential law-and-order-oriented programs running.
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Mr. Policeman explaining that t-shirts do not promote tranquility.
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Hours later, at the fiscal’s office, where the phones had been cut off the day before throughout most of City Hall.

The news and punditocracy has been buzzing about the Baywalk abductions. Palace says Dinky meant to provoke, reports Malaya; Claudio taunts Dinky for baiting police, reports the Manila Times. And on a more general note, Arrests in RP alarms Norway while Davao City Mayor Rodrigo Duterte says, If this is martial law, just say it.

Neal Cruz tackles the absurdity of the administration arguments. Dan Mariano weighs in with what the implications of the arrest are. Yesterday, Rina Jimenez-David said it seemed administration overkill (Max Soliven in his column, too, said the police overreacted). Ellen Tordesillas is appalled.

Other news and commentary:

Mediamen no longer welcome at Malacañang?

Gloria allies call FVR an economic saboteur (“economic sabotage” having been dusted off by the President as the pretext for the Star Chambers to come).

Anti-Thaksin protesters defy police. And Thaksin repeats vow to stay on as half of Bangkok won’t vote.

A commentary in The Nation strikes a familiar chord: Anti-Thaksin unity makes for an interesting future. It says,

…demonstrators were asked whether they wanted a royally appointed prime minister and government, they shouted “yes” enthusiastically and followed with an eight-minute standing ovation waving miniature Thai flags.

What we were witnessing here was a shifting paradigm of right, left and those in the middle to a common ground. Their convergence near the Royal Plaza was brought about by caretaker Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra’s political arrogance and populism. The phenomenon reflects huge a change in the public perception of movers and shakers in Thai politics. It is no longer confined to particular groups – such as intellectuals, businessmen, labourers, farmers, students and teachers – as in the past but rather a whole group of multi-stakeholders.

The anti-Thaksin movement began as a demonstration to protect the revered institution of monarchy from a dictatorial leader imitating kingly ways…

Starting January, various corruption charges levelled against Thaksin and his cronies have began to sink in…

By late January, the pro-monarchy banners moved slowly into the background as the numbers of middle class at the protest grew exponentially, as well professionals and university students. Their concern over Thaksin’s conflicts of interest, legitimacy and moral authority intensified and quickly turned into rallying points for the coalition of more than 100 civil society organisations, the People’s Alliance for Democracy (PAD).

In the past week, it was clear at Government House that the glue binding this coalition of the willing is the fear that Thaksin would rob them of the hard-won democratic gains of three decades. Whatever the implications, the movement has achieved something extraordinary, whether Thaksin steps down or not. This kind of commonality and unity of purpose must be tapped and applied more diversely. It would not be a surprise if the anti-Thaksin rallies morph into smaller but more focused ones aimed at bringing him to justice.

Several questions have arisen. Is this a marriage of convenience, or is it a paradigm shift forced by the vulgarity of Thaksin’s populist politics? Will this mass movement lay the foundation of new participatory democracy in Thailand?

It is hard to predict what will transpire in a post-Thaksin era but two issues stand out. The new power-holders – whoever they are and whatever their mandate – will have to deal with political reform, including constitutional amendments, and Thaksin’s future…

The blogosphere has been busily commenting on the Baywalk abductions, too: sketches of a village idiot savant says it’s like wrestling; [email protected] points out it’s more of the Calibrated, Pre-emptive Response treatment; The Bunker Chronicles and An OFW Living in Hong Kong, and akosimic, and REBOLUSYON2006, and LAGALAG weigh in, too. Carlos Celdran thinks the whole thing was full of crap.

Vincula says black is the new yellow. Now What, Cat? says please, leave black alone.

By Jove and McVie Show Season 4 seem surprised that “V for Vendetta” continues to be shown in cinemas.

And here’s an interesting online activity: Online snap elections.

The idiot board reflects on the death of an accountant.

The Sassy Lawyer is disappointed in me.

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    • Helga on March 21, 2006 at 12:38 am

    Yes, Anna! And please don’t forget to take pictures. Will put up a way for everyone to post them on the weekend after evey protest action, that way we can create a virtual rally! Now I wonder how the Gloria Gestapo will try to stop that. Ach du leiber Himmell! 😀

    Will have to leave all of you to your discussion. Magandang gabi, buona notte, bon soir! Adieu!

    • jade on March 21, 2006 at 1:52 am

    hi guys!
    I’m not sure if there exists an internet forum on philippine politics and current events so I decided to make one. I am not a techie so pardon the simplicity of the site. I love reading everyone’s ideas kaya lang minsan nahihilo ako kasi iba ibang topic patong patong. :p Other forums naman like Pinoy exchange have just too much variety of topics that you can get drowned in the volume of posts. So I gave THIS a try. I hope you check it out, give it a try and leave a message if you have a suggestion. I’m still learning the ropes of forum moderation. =) thanks!

    http://www.hostingphpbb.com/forum/index.php?mforum=pinoypolitics

    • sparks on March 21, 2006 at 7:36 am

    Jon Mariano:”Even France has learned a lesson from Gloria’s administration. Even if there were half a million protested against the new labor law, the government was able to “weather” the protests. Why not GMA’s government?”

    a de brux:”Some 15 years ago, President Francois Mitterand faced the wrath of more than 10 million parents and students in the streets all over the country when parents (me included) protested over a proposed Socialist Party law that would scrap government subsidy for Catholic and private schools.”

    Not to mention the now infamous student-led revolt in May 1968 that eventually led to the active participation of all sectors of society. 10 million workers on strike.

    Manolo,

    The “crime-fighting” software photos are priceless. Wahahaha. 🙂

    • Karl on March 21, 2006 at 8:19 am

    Hi Jade,

    I like the idea of the site….

    However,I wish you luck in the moderation of patung patong na discussions, because one thing will always lead to another….

    Even presidential debates of two reputable,decent and whatnot people sometimes goes out of topic due to the spontaneity…

    • batong•buhay on March 21, 2006 at 9:17 am

    I think kahit ang Amerika is one of the strongest proponents of Freedom of the Press, Freedom of Expression, Freedom of Speech. Kung hindi dapat si David Letterman at Jay Leno ay nasa kulungan na. David L. even has a segment in his show called: George W. Bush, WHAT? Sinong brodkaster ang maglalakas loob na gumawa rin ng ganito sa Pilipinas, say: Gloria Macapal Arroyo, ANO?

    • joselu on March 21, 2006 at 9:54 am

    karl, i don’t know.but i showed my appreciation for sassy courage to go against the current.
    it seems the issue started on the pcij issue that was much discussed in manolo blog & sassy insted refered to it as an over-reaction.
    although i’m not much of a blogger.i’m concerned that it not digenerate into a “fraternity” or the likes.
    throughout these past months i have always taken the position of responsible jornalissim.
    i have always taken the position of looking at the bigger picture of things & not just seeing things as far as the tip of our nose or being myopic
    i showed my appreciation for her to show that she is from the “thinking class” & not from the “attacking class”.
    like i have said in another entry.i would like to beleave i’m being objective enough to deserve a stright answer too.

    i would like to make it clear that what i wrote was an observation.
    like i have already said in my other entry.i’m aware manolo is hardput if things should go out of control.if things should be abused.
    i beleave all manolo wants to do is to give a venue for ideas.
    i don’t beleave that a blog shoud be just a sort of “escape valve”.because if it is so then it will digenerate in just another form of “kampihan”

    just as democracy can be abused so does blogging that is not properly guided.
    all i’m saying is, let’s not be the ones we are complaining about.
    issues are not about “kampihan”.
    if we really wanna make a difference we should be couragous enough to think “out of the box”.

    • Francis on March 21, 2006 at 9:57 am

    Ah napansin nyo din ang mga KILLINGS

    Dapat mag gawa tayo list nyan mga yan eh… trademark ni GMA yan.. lahat nang mga na expose na corrupt doings nya and her friends eh me involve na killings.

    Take NAIA for example nung na expose un mga corruption dun me namatay din sa ambush.

    • Francis on March 21, 2006 at 10:02 am

    Just a suggestion to MLQ3:

    Sana ung compilation nya nang mga Philippine President should include the tally of killings during their tenure.

    Killings: number of persons killed by way of ambush. It should exclude killings officially claimed by the NPA or MILF/MNLF.

    I am betting GMA will be second to Pres. Marcos or first on the list.

    • joselu on March 21, 2006 at 10:32 am

    manolo,just like manuelbuencamino keeps on quouting,everything else is propaganda, people want to know what is behind the news.
    so i gess the pics are for propaganda purposes only.it’s like trying to sell imeges.
    i obviosly have no sympathy for those challenging the law w/ all sorts of antiques.
    the evil people in society do that too & try to get away w/ it.
    i think b&w are really rediculos.i’m sure no level minded person would like to be identified w/ such a group.

    fashion is supposed to be something nice.fashion is supposed to highligh a personality.fashion is supposed to be something that goes w/ harmony of the enviorment.fashion is supposed to be comfortable dressing.
    what does fashion have to do w/ partisan politics?
    what does a fashion that has to do w/ dividing people have to do w/ fashion?
    i’m afriad that everything these people do seems to ruin things!
    ok manolo, it’s their freedom to express themselves.
    does freedom include also refuseing to accept the consequences & threatening the cops who caught the?
    are their rights more important then the others?

    why does not dinky & the gang go on a hunger strike na lang?
    if they really have an issue.why are they so “trying hard” to get attention?
    why all the “hard sell”?
    what have they done to solve our countries problems?
    are they the solution are are they just another problem?
    what are they promissing?
    what illussions are they building?
    what “simplistic” ideas are they selling?
    what is so special about a dinky s. who is just trying to make a “comeback” from her fiasco last year?

    dinky & the gang wanted attention & so they got it.
    who are they that they can’t be inconvienced by the law?

    i think it’s a terrible sight seeing adults acting like kids.
    why don’t they go to court if they have any real issues.

    manolo if we really like a just society.we have to start somewhere & it has nothing to do w/ being a smart aleck.

    if b&w wants respect & credibility why not start acting like adults & not like kids!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • in a pig's eye on March 21, 2006 at 10:34 am

    RE: Dwarf’s Comment #39:

    A Rogue’s Gallery T-Shirt of this “Devil’s Dozen” should be made to counter gluemac’s move to create a rouge’s gallery of the opposition.

    1 CLAUDIO
    2 DEFENSOR
    3 AVELINO CRUZ
    4 LUMIBAO
    5 RAUL GONZALES
    6 ERMITA
    7 BUNYE
    8 PUNO
    9 NORBERTO GONZALES
    10 QUEROL
    11 SENGA
    12 ESPERON

    Down below, the caption of the T-Shirt should read:

    Traitors of Philippine democrasy: “The she-devil made them do it.”

    • in a pig's eye on March 21, 2006 at 10:41 am

    On Comment #58:

    Actually, Joselu, none of the level minded people on this blog want to be associated with the likes of you and Sleeping.

    That is, in case you hadn’t yet noticed.

  1. Insults and bad words do not make a point, they just lesson the effect they have..

    If you read Karls blogs on the issues they are 99% of the time related to the question of the day and they do not go below the gutter level.

    I know people hate me quoting the dictionary and the Encyclopedia but when i think an item brought up is wrong i check my facts, and try to place them here.. If we go back 6-12 months ago we were talking about, Community service and other forms of punishment and i researched the issue to bring in new ideas and information to the blog.

    To stay insulated from others ideas or just insult them does not help the issues, the issues should be based on the information available.

    If Joselu has an idea or Karl or Jon.. I dont think any of us should insult them for their ideas but try to work out why they have their ideas..

    I understand that ADB lives in france and has for a very long time. They have a very different form of Democracy than this one, but it does not make it right or wrong.

    I myself do not agree with the French version, and rather like the English, Australian, Canadian models more. But i have lived in Middle East and actually liked their form of Government as well.

    Everyone has their ideas and ideals to live up too.

    Mine like Sassy is more based on the direct law.

    But this conversation has never gone that way in the last 6 Months, as the issues have been clouded by insults, insinuations, and vague ideas, not based in facts.

    Who really cares if Dinky got arrested we all know she was going to have a protest and it was to test to see if they could do it in Manila, As was noted on the websites.

    She did get arrested and thats that. If the arrest was illegal the courts are there for her to complain, I dont know all the facts of the issue..

    They have not locked her up, but probably made her a mini-martyr to the cause now, if they had not already.

    Insulting the President here and calling her bad names will not make her angry because we all know she is not reading this blog..

    Lets get back to the Policies and the Politics, and have informed debates as we used to..

    More Power to you KARL and MLQ3, Jon and Joselu ..

    • in a pig's eye on March 21, 2006 at 11:15 am

    I have no problems with Karl and Jon, Sleeping..

    Just you and Joselu.

    Insults?
    You insult our intelligence when either of you speak up.

    -Quit muddling issues on purpose and we might yet change our minds about you two.

    • Karl on March 21, 2006 at 1:16 pm

    Joselu, I am not attacking you here; but please do Listen.

    If you want to be respected, do not attack the group which our host is a co convenor…

    Sinasadya mo yata eh tulad ng spelling mo

    Refer to below just a transcipr that Manolo stated he is a co convenor of Black and white…

    Tuesday January 31, 2006
    Thoughts on the CBCP Statement

    ……….In its letter to the bishops, the Black & White Movement (of which I am a convenor) pointed to the story of Jesus asking Peter thrice if he loved him, and when Peter would say yes, Jesus would reply, “feed my sheep.” In a similar manner, the bishops have replied to that question twice….”

    • Karl on March 21, 2006 at 1:22 pm

    In a Pig’s eye, even though you said you have no problems with me; I still hace to apologize for blowing my top on you once..

    re:Open source.

    Now re:Sleeping,Joselu

    if you and Adb and others have missed this request from our host..I am reposting it below…

    148. mlq3 wrote on March 20th, 2006 at 2:02 pm

    I only delete if there are death threats and so far that’s only been one commenter. But please lay off sleeping with who and joselu, we all get cranky here, but no reason to treat them badly. so please, people, be nicer.

    • sleeping corny on March 21, 2006 at 1:57 pm

    Sleeping with who wrote:

    …To stay insulated from others ideas or just insult them does not help the issues, the issues should be based on the information available… the issues have been clouded by insults, insinuations, and vague ideas, not based in facts.

    Hey pareng/mareng Sleeping, is gma’s low trust rating not a fact? Is it not based on fact that 65% of the Phil. population now want gma to resign? Gma’s grip for power just validates her new name GLUE-RIA/GLUEMAC, Manhid!

    • sleeping corny on March 21, 2006 at 2:05 pm

    p.s: GLUE-RIA/GLUEMAC is very toxic!

  2. “In free countries, every man is entitled to express his opinions and every other man is entitled not to listen.”
    –G. Norman Collie

    This is the essence of democracy. We just have to rspect each other’s opinions, no matter how absurd and illogical. I, for one, totally disagree with the opinions of both joselu and sleeping but I just take them with a grain of salt and I do not take it against them personally. They’re entitled to whatever they want to say in GMA’s defense or in justifying her patently illegal actions but I will never brand them as assholes or make insinuations that they’re part of Ronaldo Puno’s internet brigade. So please, people, heed Manolo’s call. Otherwise, we are no different from those we criticize as fascists and dictators.

  3. Good News….

    CALGARY, Canada – Michael Novales etched his name in the record books on Monday by becoming the first skater from the Philippines to compete in the World Figure Skating Championships…..

    • mlq3 on March 21, 2006 at 2:41 pm
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    joselu and sleeping are free to attack bnw all they want. i don’t often agree with joselu or sleeping but i appreciate very much their reading this blog and standing up for their beliefs.

  4. That’s basically it. Before, I had the same tendency to dismiss opinions opposite to mine. I know how anti-GMA people feel (because we’re on the same boat) but we just have to accept the fact that there are really those who prefer to analyze things on a different perspective.

    The best thing to do is IGNORE those whose arguments do not merit your reaction.

    But please, do not resort to name-calling even if they provoke us or taunt our beliefs. This is what I experienced when I commented on Sassy’s blog. One commenter virtually insinuated that I’m BOBO for asking sassy about the distinction between a responsible press and a licentious one (in the context of media’s handling of the political crisis). He even went further to question my identity (which I prefer not to disclose) by asking “who is this boy crying wolf?”.

    That, ladies and gentlemen, is what we should avoid. We should not be like them. If you find sleeping and joselu’s arguments offensive to your senses, then by all means IGNORE them. I tell you, they will grow tired of commenting because no one will listen to them. It’s as simple as that. Neither should you be “afraid” or “apprehensive” that they might convince other people with their arguments because in the first place, we cannot really control other people’s lunacy.

    One more thing, the fact that Manolo allowed these people to freely comment in his blog suggests that this blog is an avenue where we exchange ideas, not isolate those whose opinions we differ.

  5. Bystander, that’s exactly the next step. First, you show respect by acknowledging their dissenting opinion and debating with them. But once you feel that they’re really beyond repair (a personal decision to make, which can be vice versa) then it’s time to ignore them.

    To Joselu and Sleeping with Who (whom may be one person anyway), I have personally not asked anyone of you to shut up, as with our gracious host MLQ3. Keep on blogging, after all, we’re in a democracy!

  6. You hit the nail right on the head, Jon. Keep it up.

    • a de brux on March 21, 2006 at 4:48 pm

    MLQ3, Jon,

    You are absolutely right. Sleeping has seriously started to bore me anyway and I prefer to ignore his explanations by way of internet definitions.

    For starters, Sleeping has not quite explained why he supports this woman who has no honor, no shame, who has lied, cheated, broken the rule of law with impunity, who breached the Constitution without a backward glance and who violates the rights of people, for starters: Dinky and Enteng as if violating their rights are hers by Divine Right.

    I can surmise that such unbending support in the Middle East for Gloria happened when she went there before the elections of 2004 and became friendly with a lot of our kababayans there, had her picture taken with them, flattered their ego no end by making them feel absolutely important and from then on, some of them (I don’t know but Sleeping could perhaps very well be one of them) have pledged their undying support for her, right or wrong, good or bad, come hell or high water.

    That’s fine – then everything at least becomes crystal clear as to where people stand. Whether I respect their choice or not is irrelevant. People who have chosen to support Gloria have chosen THEIR cause and should and must be able to defend their choice in whatever arena they choose to make their stand.

    Gloria did the same thing in Paris. She bent over backwards to court the support of the Filipino OFW in Paris. A friend who was a member of her official entourage during her visit to Paris (when she spoke at UNESCO some 2 years ago I believe or just before the elections) called me several times and wanted me to be part of the welcoming “committee”; this person went as far as to invite me to a dinner hosted exclusively for Gloria and a few friends. I REFUSED. I’ve refused all overtures by friends who work directly or indirectly for Gloria. I cannot SUPPORT a person whose beliefs directly CONTRADICT those that I believe. I cannot place my support for a leader who has breached the Constitution, waylaid the rule of law and continues to violate every act of good governance in order to achieve her fiendish, selfish, personal ends.

    I am a student of Voltaire and as one will not, cannot throw my support for a government that has no respect for the rule of law, no respect for the Constitution, and most of all, cannot throw my support for someone who believes that national leadership which she has mischievoulsy stolen from the people, is hers by Divine Right. To me it is a question of RIGHT vs WRONG: Gloria is all wrong. I therefore have chosen to embrace the anti-Arroyo cause.

    Gloria and her husband including her family have all the resources and the tools to use and abuse against those that have taken up the cause against her. With that in mind, we have no other choice but to consider the pro-Gloria cause a FAIR GAME in the arena of freedom of speech.

    There cannot be any compromises on the question of EVIL LEADERSHIP – that leadership must be brought down. The very spirit of democracy and the survival of the nation is at the very heart of the uneven fight.

    • jmarzan on March 21, 2006 at 5:57 pm

    The Sassy Lawyer is disappointed in me.

    the sassy lawyer is disappointed in PCIJ too. so much so that he led the pack in dropping the PCIJ blog from her blogroll, with her readers following suit.

    i think sassy started hating PCIJ when they posted the “Hello Garci” tapes sa website nila, because that was like a death blow to her president’s legitimacy claims.

    read some of her views here:

    Frayed: Re #53: “What I see here is a real pack mentality. The leader (Sassy) attacks, and everyone comes in for the kill.”

    (sassy) Ummm… that’s exactly what happened when PCIJ started the Gloria-GArci blog entries.

    ah so ganyan pala ang ginawa ng pcij. that explains this.

    More:

    Frayed:“Someone comes in who you don’t agree with, and ban him from your blog (and he wasn’t even rude or abusive).”

    In the instant case, only Dean Bocobo got banned. Because he was abusive–the final straw in a long list of abusive comments here and in his blog in a desperate attempt to make a comeback into the blogging scene.

    It isn’t for you to decide what is abusive or not; it isn’t your blog.

    Yeah, dean jorge bocobo was “abusive”, sassy.

    • jmarzan on March 21, 2006 at 6:02 pm

    it’s a shame sassy is overreacting on the Jonathan tiongco case, and I too am disappointed to see sassy lose her credibility over this nutcase tiongco.

    • jmarzan on March 21, 2006 at 6:11 pm

    start appealing into the senses of the oppositions in the house to do better for the next round of the impeachment. Urge them to work more, talk less, and make guesting on tv secondary.

    nah, we’d rather do it the mike Arroyo way.

    • jmarzan on March 21, 2006 at 6:24 pm

    karl, i don’t know.but i showed my appreciation for sassy courage to go against the current.

    but sassy’s part of the Empire, joselu… and the empire seems to be winning at the moment, by using brute force and intimidation…

    in the end though, the rebel alliance against arroyo will prevail… pero episode 6 pa siya.

    • jmarzan on March 21, 2006 at 6:29 pm

    buti pa sila joselu at sleeping with who, pwedeng mag-attack at dissent dito sa blog ni mlq3.

    sa mga ibang pro-arroyo blogs (like you know who) bawal ang ganyan, kahit na hindi naman abusive o bastos ang mga dissenting comments.

    • Observer on March 21, 2006 at 7:28 pm

    Does being against the dissemination of the wiretapped tapes (even if based on a literal interpretation of R.A. 4200) make one automatically pro-Arroyo?

  7. observer, kung si bush ang nahuli sa wiretapped tapes na nakikipag usap kay karl rove o dick cheney na balak nilang dayain o ipakidnap ang isang election official sa tapes, you can be sure na unahan ang CNN, BBC, Al Jazeera, MSNBC, CBS at ABC sa pagbroadcast ng tapes na ito 24/7, katulad ng ginawa nila sa mga abu ghraib photos.. Pati yung FOX NEWS sasali rin dito. And Bush will not be able to survive this political scandal.

    Does being against the dissemination of the wiretapped tapes (even if based on a literal interpretation of R.A. 4200) make one automatically pro-Arroyo?

    Pretty much, yeah… if you ask me. 😉 just like anybody who’s for the playing and disseminating the tapes is either

    1) a part of the ploy; 2) a business opportunist who intended and/or actually made money from the tapes, directly or indirectly; 3) a political opportunist who sought visibility with the hope that with the downfall of one administration, he could hold a lucrative post in the next; or 4) simply and plainly gullible.

    i want the tapes be played on tv and be discussed and dissected, not only because of gloriagate, but also because i want to expose the people who did the wiretapping on the opposition/admin officials and other members of the media for partisan purposes — ISAFP.

    and i want to know if ISAFP is still wiretapping the opposition and the media to this day.

  8. Does being against the dissemination of the wiretapped tapes (even if based on a literal interpretation of R.A. 4200) make one automatically pro-Arroyo?

    the funny thing about this is that sassy lawyer would be singing a different tune if erap or lacson were the ones caught on tape instead of GMA planning to rig the elections or talking about making a witness disappear.

    • mlq3 on March 21, 2006 at 10:36 pm
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    john m., i don’t think her opinion would change at all. she has a particular interpretation of the law and of those espousing an interpretation different from hers, that is different from that of others while similar, too.

    • SIMON on March 22, 2006 at 12:09 am

    PLS READ AND DISSEMINATE FOR EVERYBODY’S EDUCATION:

    WHOEVER AMONG US HAS RELATIVES IN THE AFP OR PNP, PLEASE EXPLAIN AND TELL THEM THAT THEY ARE THE MILITARY AND POLICE- MEN/WOMEN OF THE PEOPLE, NOT THE PRIVATE SECURITY GUARDS OF GMA.

    THEY SHOULD SERVE AND PROTECT THE PEOPLE, NOT BEAT THEM WITH IMPUNITY.

    THEY SHOULD REMEMBER THAT, UNDER THE CONSTITUTION, THE CHAIN OF COMMAND STARTS FROM THE PEOPLE TO THE PRESIDENT TO THE CHIEF OF STAFF AND DOWN TO THEM.

    SOMEONE PRETENDING TO BE PRESIDENT BUT WHO WAS NOT HONESTLY AND DULY ELECTED BY THE PEOPLE HAS BROKEN THE CHAIN OF COMMAND AND THEREFORE MUST NOT BE OBEYED. THIS IS WHAT THE TOP BRASS IN THE AFP AND THE PNP CONVENIENTLY FORGOT IN EXCHANGE FOR SOME FINANCIAL FAVORS OR IN KIND FROM GLORIA. AT THE VERY LEAST, THEY SHOULD SUPPORT AND JOIN THE DEMAND FOR THE HELLO GARCI TAPE INVESTIGATION AND TELL GLORIA THAT IS THE ONLY WAY TO RESTORE AND PRESERVE THE CHAIN OF COMMAND NOW UNDER A SERIOUS CLOUD OF DOUBT. THAT IS THE PROPER WAY TO THE PATH OF MILITARY NEUTRALITY, SENGA AND LOMIBAO FAILED TO GRASP. IN UNDULY THROWING THEIR SUPPORT BEHIND GMA, THEY HAVE FURTHER BROKEN AND BETRAYED THE CONSTITUTIONALLY MANDATED CHAIN OF COMMAND

    • joselu on March 22, 2006 at 12:13 pm

    karl, i’m not attacking manolo in anyway.i know people would rather be appreciated then critsized.
    if we can’t leave w/ critissim how can we be critics?
    are we make distintions & divisions & exsemptions?
    is it not that our country is so screwed-up simplly because of all the buts & ifs that we create?
    at the end of the day we are no better then the people we critisize & worst of all we project ourselves better then them!
    is there no importance to feed-back?
    or do you just want to listen to things the please you?
    i really hope that we can make a distintion between the person & the issue.
    something i fill at times is asking next to impossible.
    i think & i have always though that manolo can very well handel himself.
    i understand that you try to defend manolo, but i also think manolo is very capable to defend himself.
    karl, i don’t get it.why connect respect to partisanship?
    karl are you saying b&w has the blessing from heaven?
    sana naman lets put religion out of this when we very well know that the bishops are also divided among themselves.
    i hope we won’t hide behind these things.simply because religion & politics don’t mix.
    what is it your saying, this thing is some sort of “holy war”?
    karl don’t you beleave all sides should be herd?
    is democracy selective?
    sorry karl, when i write i don’t think of doing the kalaban.i try to be objective & i know others will see it another way.but i don’t get an objective answer in return.

  9. john m., i don’t think her opinion would change at all. she has a particular interpretation of the law and of those espousing an interpretation different from hers, that is different from that of others while similar, too.

    i don’t think her interpretation of the anti-wiretapping law would change either kung let’s say si erap ang nahuli dito.

    (i recall na similar rin ang interpretation ni DJB sa batas na ito.)

    the difference IMO though is that in the alternate situation,

    1) hindi magagalit si Sassy Lawyer sa PCIJ for making the erap/lacson tapes available, and would not be against the PCIJ effort even if may be violating the law. She would be supportive of the PCIJ for “taking a risk” in making the Erap tapes available to the public, instead of accusing them of being “licentious” and engaging in character assassination.

    2) After hearing the tapes, she would ask erap’s resignation or ouster.

    sa pelikulang “good night and good luck”, there was one point in the film where pinag-debatehan ng mga CBS mediamen kung pwede nilang i-show ang video ng mccarthy hearings. are they breaking the law raw for leaking the Senate’s closed hearing testimony to the public. eventually, they’ve decided to air the tapes.

    bawal sa batas ang pag-distribute ng illegally wiretapped tapes, and sen. serge osmena knows that, but didn’t care anyway, because showed his copy of the “hello garci” tapes to the media and dared raul gonzalez to arrest him.

    bawal sa batas ang pag-distribute ng illegally wiretapped tapes, but i want to make an exception of the “hello garci” tapes, not only because it exposes corruption and criminality within the highest places in gov’t (malacanang), but also ISAFP’s role in spying on gov’t officials, Arroyo’s critics and the media.

    Arroyo admin and ISAFP — two birds in one stone yan.

  10. sa pelikulang “good night and good luck”, there was one point in the film where pinag-debatehan ng mga CBS mediamen kung pwede nilang i-show ang video ng mccarthy hearings. are they breaking the law raw for leaking the Senate’s closed hearing testimony to the public. eventually, they’ve decided to air the tapes.

    the wanted to show the mccarthy hearings btw, because you can see in the video na nagwawala si mccarthy, and the CBS people wanted to show that side of mccarthy to the viewing public.

    • joselu on March 22, 2006 at 4:01 pm

    pig eye,
    who decides what is level minded or not?insted i have an impression that if you can’t answer to objective observation maybe that is a sign that you can’t reason out your side.it has nothing to do w/ you being right & the other being wrong.maybe you see things so narrowly & your just to focused on one issue that you project as being the entire story.
    but no problem pig eye, i’m not playing the popularity game anyway.

    • bote on March 22, 2006 at 4:45 pm

    manolo, i remember from your round table discussion prior to the impeachment that the sassy lawyer said that it is not admissible–the tapes. you can go back to the transcript of that discussion and see why she is saying that it is not admissible (and please give john the link). i don’t see anything from her writings that says she is pro-arroyo.
    re the shitlist, mbuencamino still post comments in her blog. as far as i know it’s only djb who’s blacklisted.

    i also do like to see gloria out, i just don’t want another case like that of erap.
    i still see impeachment as the best way; she will not/never resign!

  11. Joselu what do you mean when you say “i’m not playing the popularity game anyway”?

    • mlq3 on March 22, 2006 at 5:11 pm
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    bote, precisely: sassy based her opinion on her interpretation of the law, which isn’t political. that’s why i said i don’t think her view would change even if the target changed. she has never said she is a defender of the president and is, in fact, critical of the president quite often.

    • jmarzan on March 22, 2006 at 7:18 pm

    manolo, i remember from your round table discussion prior to the impeachment that the sassy lawyer said that it is not admissible–the tapes.

    the lawyers will tell you that the tapes are “inadmissible” as evidence in a court of law. But I don’t care if the tapes are not used in court… all I’m asking is that the tapes be distributed to as many people as possible and for ABS-CBN and GMA7 play those G-D- tapes na with analysis from their audio and political experts and let the public hear decide kung nandaya si GMA o hindi.

    • joselu on March 22, 2006 at 7:52 pm

    jon, that popularity thing, it’s more like taking a risk in a position even if it can be misunderstood by others.like just because many see it in one way does not mean that i would ride the bandwagon too.or maybe agreeing w/ others w/o question so that in a way to identify w/.

  12. Thanks Joselu. Now I know where you stand when we debate again later on.

    • Observer on March 23, 2006 at 2:18 am

    #93 “…all I’m asking is that the tapes be distributed to as many people as possible and for ABS-CBN and GMA7 play those G-D- tapes na with analysis from their audio and political experts and let the public hear decide kung nandaya si GMA o hindi.”

    Haven’t the tapes been played last June during the congressional hearings which were aired over DZBB and ANC?

  13. “…all I’m asking is that the tapes be distributed to as many people as possible and for ABS-CBN and GMA7 play those G-D- tapes na with analysis from their audio and political experts and let the public hear decide kung nandaya si GMA o hindi.”

    Haven’t the tapes been played last June during the congressional hearings which were aired over DZBB and ANC?

    I heard clips of it in GMA7 and ABS-CBN’s news program sa congressional hearings. but the audio was bad dahil maririnig mo yung ibang noise at sounds sa loob ng conference room at mga boses ng ibang congressmen. pretty much mahirap pakinggan ang audio.

    at isang beses lang ginawa ito sa tv (during the hearings).

    what i want is for the tv networks like abs-cbn ch 2 and gma7 ch 7 to play and analyze the tapes everyday (similar to the treatment the US media gave to the “abu ghraib” photos), with subtitles pa para mas mabilis maintindihan. they should try to play the entire tapes sa tv.

    it doesn’t mean na you play the entire 3-hour tape in one day, though. kahit na serialized o putol putol ito (5 minutes, 10 minutes), okay lang. and they should play a few excerpts of the tapes more than once, IMO.

    iba kasi ang dating kung marinig ng tao sa sarili nila yung salita mismo ni garci at GMA… kung papaano papakidnapin ni garcillano ang isang comelec official para patahimikin siya, kaysa hearing only about other people reporting it in the news.

    katulad ng abu ghraib photos, mas shocking at believable kung makita mo yung abuse sa abu ghraib sa mga photographs kasya basahin mo lang ang news reports ng media about it.

    like i said observer, observer, kung si bush ang nahuli sa wiretapped tapes na nakikipag usap kay karl rove o dick cheney na balak nilang dayain o ipakidnap ang isang election official sa tapes, you can be sure na unahan ang CNN, BBC, Al Jazeera, MSNBC, CBS at ABC sa pagbroadcast ng tapes na ito 24/7, katulad ng ginawa nila sa mga abu ghraib photos.. Pati yung FOX NEWS sasali rin dito. And Bush will not be able to survive this political scandal for very long.

    • Simon on March 24, 2006 at 9:29 am

    MLQIII,

    Why is it that of late my comments are not seeing print in your site? Instead the following is what I am favored with everytime I sent out my message (just this morning I sent out one under your heading Signature Rodeo Underway)

    • mlq3 on March 24, 2006 at 5:03 pm
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    simon, they’re kepot for moderation by spam karma, so i only get to approve them when i’m online. you might want to register.

    • pinoy_gising on March 29, 2006 at 3:11 am

    another sort of “online snap elections” here:
    http://www.tristancafe.com/forum/42417

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