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		<title>By: MLQ3 Mentions This and the LJ Blog &#124; The BLIPS Network</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2006/02/06/sackcloth-and-ashes/comment-page-1/#comment-1053832</link>
		<dc:creator>MLQ3 Mentions This and the LJ Blog &#124; The BLIPS Network</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 02:45:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] was happy to see this blog mentioned and the crossposted LJ blog entry mentioned in the erudite Manuel L. Quezon III&#8217;s blog. The [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] was happy to see this blog mentioned and the crossposted LJ blog entry mentioned in the erudite Manuel L. Quezon III&#8217;s blog. The [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Global Voices Online &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Philippines: After the Stampede</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2006/02/06/sackcloth-and-ashes/comment-page-1/#comment-9917</link>
		<dc:creator>Global Voices Online &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Philippines: After the Stampede</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Feb 2006 01:26:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Filipino bloggers continue to be focused on the tragic deaths last weekend of over 70 people last weekend during a stampede in a crowd waiting to get into a popular TV game show. Divergent Poles has the weepy statements of the game show host and TV network exec. Filipino Librarian directs her anger at a network employee who said it was the crowd&#8217;s fault. There&#8217;s more at the PCIJ blog, Manuel L. Quezon III and Howie Severino. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Filipino bloggers continue to be focused on the tragic deaths last weekend of over 70 people last weekend during a stampede in a crowd waiting to get into a popular TV game show. Divergent Poles has the weepy statements of the game show host and TV network exec. Filipino Librarian directs her anger at a network employee who said it was the crowd&#8217;s fault. There&#8217;s more at the PCIJ blog, Manuel L. Quezon III and Howie Severino. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: michaelsampras</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2006/02/06/sackcloth-and-ashes/comment-page-1/#comment-9911</link>
		<dc:creator>michaelsampras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2006 20:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If I were to note your column entitled &quot;an integrated approach&quot; I would give you 10 over 20. on the first hand, it apparently lacks rigour, and it&#039;s just &quot;copy-paste&quot;-type. on the other hand, it proves to be original as it differs from other&#039;s insight,, classically problem of poverty, promotion of mendicancy, who should be held responsible of the incident, let alone attack against the government (You would never do that as you are PRO-Gma if I&#039;m not mistaken).  on the whole, ce n&#039;est pas du tout mal, poursuivez!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If I were to note your column entitled &#8220;an integrated approach&#8221; I would give you 10 over 20. on the first hand, it apparently lacks rigour, and it&#8217;s just &#8220;copy-paste&#8221;-type. on the other hand, it proves to be original as it differs from other&#8217;s insight,, classically problem of poverty, promotion of mendicancy, who should be held responsible of the incident, let alone attack against the government (You would never do that as you are PRO-Gma if I&#8217;m not mistaken).  on the whole, ce n&#8217;est pas du tout mal, poursuivez!</p>
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		<title>By: Jon Mariano</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2006/02/06/sackcloth-and-ashes/comment-page-1/#comment-9883</link>
		<dc:creator>Jon Mariano</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2006 06:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How low can Filipinos go? How about swindlers victimizing the stampede victims? &lt;a&gt;See this link&lt;/a&gt;.

It&#039;s not all sad story though, there was also a heartwarming story of a municipal volunteer returning a victim&#039;s money to the family &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.inq7.net/express/html_output/20060207-65350.xml.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;at this link&lt;/a&gt;. The best and beast in man brought out by a tragedy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How low can Filipinos go? How about swindlers victimizing the stampede victims? <a>See this link</a>.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not all sad story though, there was also a heartwarming story of a municipal volunteer returning a victim&#8217;s money to the family <a href="http://news.inq7.net/express/html_output/20060207-65350.xml.html" rel="nofollow">at this link</a>. The best and beast in man brought out by a tragedy.</p>
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		<title>By: miss c</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2006/02/06/sackcloth-and-ashes/comment-page-1/#comment-9879</link>
		<dc:creator>miss c</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2006 05:30:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>i&#039;m sure that not one of us posting here had ever experienced how it is not to eat for a day or two, we haven&#039;t experienced how it is to go so hungry as to brave three days under the sun for a chance of a quick buck. to speak in behalf of those poverty-stricken people, as if we know first-hand what they were going through, is so darn hypocritical of us. 
the problem is not that those people have misplaced values, they are not lazy. their tenacity to wait in line for a chance to enter Ultra showed that. the problem is that they are left with no option at all. 
I agree with Mr. Conrado de Quiros that when people accept dole-outs, they are stripped of whatever dignity they possess. But when it comes to a choice between dignity or survival, which would one choose?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m sure that not one of us posting here had ever experienced how it is not to eat for a day or two, we haven&#8217;t experienced how it is to go so hungry as to brave three days under the sun for a chance of a quick buck. to speak in behalf of those poverty-stricken people, as if we know first-hand what they were going through, is so darn hypocritical of us.<br />
the problem is not that those people have misplaced values, they are not lazy. their tenacity to wait in line for a chance to enter Ultra showed that. the problem is that they are left with no option at all.<br />
I agree with Mr. Conrado de Quiros that when people accept dole-outs, they are stripped of whatever dignity they possess. But when it comes to a choice between dignity or survival, which would one choose?</p>
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		<title>By: torn</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2006/02/06/sackcloth-and-ashes/comment-page-1/#comment-9873</link>
		<dc:creator>torn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Feb 2006 01:24:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!-- spamk    : Comment text: &#039;I agree that was a bit weird -- people wanting the show to go on surrounded by bodies.  Even if you accept that for poor people tragedy is an ever-present and that some of these people had queued for days, what were they thinking of? That really would have been the ultimate &quot;dog eat dog&quot; image -- a happy winner clutching his or her 2 million peso prize and losers carried off to the morgue.  

Still, I agree with the fencesitter that is easy for us to talk about the &quot;loss of values&quot; implicit in such get rich quick games, but unless values are rewarded people will lose them.  Poor Filipinos work very hard, but for what?  These people give, give give every day and what is their return?  No wonder they are attracted to the one in a million chance in a game show.  That&#039;s better than no chance at all, which is what they have outside the game.&#039; matched ((holdem&#124;texas&#124;poker&#124;casino&#124;online&#124;gambl&#124;blackjack&#124;game&#124;free).*){2,} --&gt;



I agree that was a bit weird -- people wanting the show to go on surrounded by bodies.  Even if you accept that for poor people tragedy is an ever-present and that some of these people had queued for days, what were they thinking of? That really would have been the ultimate &quot;dog eat dog&quot; image -- a happy winner clutching his or her 2 million peso prize and losers carried off to the morgue.  

Still, I agree with the fencesitter that is easy for us to talk about the &quot;loss of values&quot; implicit in such get rich quick games, but unless values are rewarded people will lose them.  Poor Filipinos work very hard, but for what?  These people give, give give every day and what is their return?  No wonder they are attracted to the one in a million chance in a game show.  That&#039;s better than no chance at all, which is what they have outside the game.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!-- spamk    : Comment text: 'I agree that was a bit weird -- people wanting the show to go on surrounded by bodies.  Even if you accept that for poor people tragedy is an ever-present and that some of these people had queued for days, what were they thinking of? That really would have been the ultimate "dog eat dog" image -- a happy winner clutching his or her 2 million peso prize and losers carried off to the morgue.  </p>
<p>Still, I agree with the fencesitter that is easy for us to talk about the "loss of values" implicit in such get rich quick games, but unless values are rewarded people will lose them.  Poor Filipinos work very hard, but for what?  These people give, give give every day and what is their return?  No wonder they are attracted to the one in a million chance in a game show.  That's better than no chance at all, which is what they have outside the game.' matched ((holdem|texas|poker|casino|online|gambl|blackjack|game|free).*){2,} --></p>
<p>I agree that was a bit weird &#8212; people wanting the show to go on surrounded by bodies.  Even if you accept that for poor people tragedy is an ever-present and that some of these people had queued for days, what were they thinking of? That really would have been the ultimate &#8220;dog eat dog&#8221; image &#8212; a happy winner clutching his or her 2 million peso prize and losers carried off to the morgue.  </p>
<p>Still, I agree with the fencesitter that is easy for us to talk about the &#8220;loss of values&#8221; implicit in such get rich quick games, but unless values are rewarded people will lose them.  Poor Filipinos work very hard, but for what?  These people give, give give every day and what is their return?  No wonder they are attracted to the one in a million chance in a game show.  That&#8217;s better than no chance at all, which is what they have outside the game.</p>
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		<title>By: a de brux</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2006/02/06/sackcloth-and-ashes/comment-page-1/#comment-9872</link>
		<dc:creator>a de brux</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2006 22:29:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re: xxx&#039; comment

Recently, I encountered a group of laborers in an airport here who were deployed to/bound for Tchad to work for an American company. 

These men were under contract for less than a year and were expected to work in a high-risk region but to them it meant having a job and that was good enough. 

From what I understood, they were prepared to risk body and soul for less than 20,000 pesos a month (and less than that amount after the usual deductions) but they said to them it was a lot of money because it was sure money, besides, they said, they were insured! When I asked one how much money his family stood to collect in case he died, he said 1,500 dollars. When I asked if they thought 1,500 US$ was high enough, one exclaimed &#039;Ay naku, malaking pera na &#039;yun!&#039;

Based on Gloria&#039;s precious peso surge against the dollar, I believe the laborer&#039;s life therefore is worth 75,000 pesos give or take a few centavos.

Wowweee&#039;s 1,000,000 peso prize represented grossly the cost of a dozen Filipino lives in Tchad in the event of their death.

If what xxx said was true that a hundred people were still waiting to get into the show grounds despite the 20 dead bodies around, it merely confirms that a poor man&#039;s life has become of little value even to his own kind - not because the Filipino is innately bad but because his moral fiber has been so weakened by so much misery and poverty. The exploitation by the powerful and the greed of the leaders he sees around him have simply numbed him!  

You cannot expect to keep an impoverished population&#039;s moral fiber intact when the people they look up to, the leaders they elect, the government that is sworn to protect and care for them put little value on their life.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re: xxx&#8217; comment</p>
<p>Recently, I encountered a group of laborers in an airport here who were deployed to/bound for Tchad to work for an American company. </p>
<p>These men were under contract for less than a year and were expected to work in a high-risk region but to them it meant having a job and that was good enough. </p>
<p>From what I understood, they were prepared to risk body and soul for less than 20,000 pesos a month (and less than that amount after the usual deductions) but they said to them it was a lot of money because it was sure money, besides, they said, they were insured! When I asked one how much money his family stood to collect in case he died, he said 1,500 dollars. When I asked if they thought 1,500 US$ was high enough, one exclaimed &#8216;Ay naku, malaking pera na &#8216;yun!&#8217;</p>
<p>Based on Gloria&#8217;s precious peso surge against the dollar, I believe the laborer&#8217;s life therefore is worth 75,000 pesos give or take a few centavos.</p>
<p>Wowweee&#8217;s 1,000,000 peso prize represented grossly the cost of a dozen Filipino lives in Tchad in the event of their death.</p>
<p>If what xxx said was true that a hundred people were still waiting to get into the show grounds despite the 20 dead bodies around, it merely confirms that a poor man&#8217;s life has become of little value even to his own kind &#8211; not because the Filipino is innately bad but because his moral fiber has been so weakened by so much misery and poverty. The exploitation by the powerful and the greed of the leaders he sees around him have simply numbed him!  </p>
<p>You cannot expect to keep an impoverished population&#8217;s moral fiber intact when the people they look up to, the leaders they elect, the government that is sworn to protect and care for them put little value on their life.</p>
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		<title>By: Karl</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2006/02/06/sackcloth-and-ashes/comment-page-1/#comment-9871</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2006 22:01:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;A hundred of Filipinos lined up and wanted the show to go on, while nearby were more than 20 dead bodies.&quot;


It not just digusting it is SAD but TRUE</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A hundred of Filipinos lined up and wanted the show to go on, while nearby were more than 20 dead bodies.&#8221;</p>
<p>It not just digusting it is SAD but TRUE</p>
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		<title>By: Karl</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2006/02/06/sackcloth-and-ashes/comment-page-1/#comment-9870</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2006 21:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Off topic but somehow related
Re: crowd attitude in watching sports events

We are milder and tamer.....

Around us ,Footballl stadiums literally break just because the favorite team lost....

I don&#039;t know if that ever happened here in any event...


Re poverty,wealth and luck,diligence

In my new field sales
it always involves luck and twist of faith
ERven if your you are very good you must also be lucky...

I hear that if one works hard he wont even think of luck and get rich schemes......It always involves luck and the saying that if it yours its yours......

and if it is your time it is your time....(to be rich, to die or what not)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Off topic but somehow related<br />
Re: crowd attitude in watching sports events</p>
<p>We are milder and tamer&#8230;..</p>
<p>Around us ,Footballl stadiums literally break just because the favorite team lost&#8230;.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know if that ever happened here in any event&#8230;</p>
<p>Re poverty,wealth and luck,diligence</p>
<p>In my new field sales<br />
it always involves luck and twist of faith<br />
ERven if your you are very good you must also be lucky&#8230;</p>
<p>I hear that if one works hard he wont even think of luck and get rich schemes&#8230;&#8230;It always involves luck and the saying that if it yours its yours&#8230;&#8230;</p>
<p>and if it is your time it is your time&#8230;.(to be rich, to die or what not)</p>
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		<title>By: xxx</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2006/02/06/sackcloth-and-ashes/comment-page-1/#comment-9869</link>
		<dc:creator>xxx</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Feb 2006 21:43:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is terribly disgusting!

A hundred of Filipinos lined up and wanted the show to go on, while nearby were more than 20 dead bodies.

They were robbed of any feelings or guilt, blinded by the P1 million prize.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is terribly disgusting!</p>
<p>A hundred of Filipinos lined up and wanted the show to go on, while nearby were more than 20 dead bodies.</p>
<p>They were robbed of any feelings or guilt, blinded by the P1 million prize.</p>
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