Comments on: New Year’s cheers and jeers http://www.quezon.ph/2005/12/31/new-years-cheers-and-jeers/ Punditry. Politics. History. Commentary. Sat, 04 Feb 2012 11:35:33 +0000 hourly 1 By: carding http://www.quezon.ph/2005/12/31/new-years-cheers-and-jeers/comment-page-1/#comment-10066 carding Thu, 09 Feb 2006 19:03:25 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/blog/?p=782#comment-10066 bottom line.......wowowie....bravo! :P bottom line…….wowowie….bravo! :P

]]> By: cadillac http://www.quezon.ph/2005/12/31/new-years-cheers-and-jeers/comment-page-1/#comment-10064 cadillac Thu, 09 Feb 2006 18:58:10 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/blog/?p=782#comment-10064 bravo!!!!!!!!! :P bravo!!!!!!!!! :P

]]> By: cvj http://www.quezon.ph/2005/12/31/new-years-cheers-and-jeers/comment-page-1/#comment-8426 cvj Wed, 04 Jan 2006 06:53:32 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/blog/?p=782#comment-8426 I agree with you joey, with one caveat. I don't believe in incubating under a dictatorship no matter how well meaning. It's not a system that will allow our people to think for themselves. Besides, we know from historical experience that Filipinos make abusive dictators. That's why we somehow have to put up with all the noise. I agree with you joey, with one caveat. I don’t
believe in incubating under a dictatorship no matter how well meaning. It’s not a system that will allow our people to think for themselves. Besides, we know from historical experience that Filipinos make abusive dictators. That’s why we somehow have to put up with all the noise.

]]> By: joey legarda http://www.quezon.ph/2005/12/31/new-years-cheers-and-jeers/comment-page-1/#comment-8424 joey legarda Wed, 04 Jan 2006 06:32:25 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/blog/?p=782#comment-8424 cvj, i agree w/ you that it's important to give the people a chance to regain their dignity first by giving them a chance to prosper. i'm sure a person w/ a full stomach will see things differently. i'm sure things will be seen w/ another prespective. i'm sure the root cause of our problems is about the poverty & inequity. when i write in this blog.my concern is really to the poor people.we who could write in this blog in the comfort of our homes or offices are really lucky.but i would like to beleave that as we express ourselves we have in mind those who are less fortunate then us.maybe we can't do anything directly to lighten their burden but at least lets not add to it by reckless conclussion & perceptions.it's a complicated world w/ no simple answers & no simple solutions.and i don't think any one of us has all the answers.but i think being level headed about things will allow more objectivity.we won't get anywhere by convicting people by perception or subjective feelings.the impression that i had in the past 6 months is that there has been so much hate & disgust but very rare that there has been discussion looking at the larger picture of things & realy analysing everything before coming up w/ conclussions.we do no better then our cops who shoot first & ask questions later. cvj, i agree w/ you that it’s important to give the people a chance to regain their dignity first by giving them a chance to prosper.
i’m sure a person w/ a full stomach will see things differently.
i’m sure things will be seen w/ another prespective.
i’m sure the root cause of our problems is about the poverty & inequity.
when i write in this blog.my concern is really to the poor people.we who could write in this blog in the comfort of our homes or offices are really lucky.but i would like to beleave that as we express ourselves we have in mind those who are less fortunate then us.maybe we can’t do anything directly to lighten their burden but at least lets not add to it by reckless conclussion & perceptions.it’s a complicated world w/ no simple answers & no simple solutions.and i don’t think any one of us has all the answers.but i think being level headed about things will allow more objectivity.we won’t get anywhere by convicting people by perception or subjective feelings.the impression that i had in the past 6 months is that there has been so much hate & disgust but very rare that there has been discussion looking at the larger picture of things & realy analysing everything before coming up w/ conclussions.we do no better then our cops who shoot first & ask questions later.

]]> By: joey legarda http://www.quezon.ph/2005/12/31/new-years-cheers-and-jeers/comment-page-1/#comment-8423 joey legarda Wed, 04 Jan 2006 06:15:50 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/blog/?p=782#comment-8423 yes jon, dreams are always good, they give us hope.but honestly, we do not know what the future holds.I'm still convinced that we should conquer our attitudes first then everything else will be easy. yes jon, dreams are always good, they give us hope.but honestly, we do not know what the future holds.I’m still convinced that we should conquer our attitudes first then everything else will be easy.

]]> By: Jon http://www.quezon.ph/2005/12/31/new-years-cheers-and-jeers/comment-page-1/#comment-8414 Jon Wed, 04 Jan 2006 04:41:26 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/blog/?p=782#comment-8414 Joey, i respect your way of doing things eventhough I strongly disagree with it. Let's leave it at that. In cvj's post above (#32), I think that where we digress is in the sequence of change we prefer. You would like to change economically first while putting justice & fairness in second place. (You sound to have strong self-respect and self-trust). I am arguing for the opposite, because I believe that it makes for a stronger foundation for society. Joey, i respect your way of doing things eventhough I strongly disagree with it. Let’s leave it at that.

In cvj’s post above (#32), I think that where we digress is in the sequence of change we prefer.

You would like to change economically first while putting justice & fairness in second place. (You sound to have strong self-respect and self-trust).

I am arguing for the opposite, because I believe that it makes for a stronger foundation for society.

]]> By: joey legarda http://www.quezon.ph/2005/12/31/new-years-cheers-and-jeers/comment-page-1/#comment-8413 joey legarda Wed, 04 Jan 2006 03:46:14 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/blog/?p=782#comment-8413 <!-- spamk : Comment text: 'Jon naman,I never said anything about forgeting inconsequential stuff. I have spoken very much of priorities.Praiorities also means dealing w/ things in a systematic way.I don't know the nature of your job in HK but I'm sure your not kalat and that also means you have an orderly way of doing your job and your appreciated by that. Jon, it's also a free market.People are free to meke choices of how to spend their money. I'm sure you do that also.Does that make you a bad person? In my other entries.I also mentioned that us a professional I behave myself w/ high moral standards.It is a choice that I do as an individual.I don't waste my time judging others for what they do. I think it's every individual hope & dream to prosper & we must not deny it to anyone. In the case of the Philippines it's a bit more complicated.Because politics like a cancer has invaded all aspects of our lives. It seems that as a society we are so confussed already. That is why I advocate that we come up w/ praiorities. At times it seems to me that our society is alike a baby crieing & since babies can't talk to express themselves they cry. We seem to be one big baby constantly crieing & complaining.We seem to like everything but don't know where to start. It can't be that your always right & everybody is wrong?' matched ((holdem|texas|poker|casino|online|gambl|blackjack|game|free).*){2,} --> Jon naman,I never said anything about forgeting inconsequential stuff. I have spoken very much of priorities.Praiorities also means dealing w/ things in a systematic way.I don't know the nature of your job in HK but I'm sure your not kalat and that also means you have an orderly way of doing your job and your appreciated by that. Jon, it's also a free market.People are free to meke choices of how to spend their money. I'm sure you do that also.Does that make you a bad person? In my other entries.I also mentioned that us a professional I behave myself w/ high moral standards.It is a choice that I do as an individual.I don't waste my time judging others for what they do. I think it's every individual hope & dream to prosper & we must not deny it to anyone. In the case of the Philippines it's a bit more complicated.Because politics like a cancer has invaded all aspects of our lives. It seems that as a society we are so confussed already. That is why I advocate that we come up w/ praiorities. At times it seems to me that our society is alike a baby crieing & since babies can't talk to express themselves they cry. We seem to be one big baby constantly crieing & complaining.We seem to like everything but don't know where to start. It can't be that your always right & everybody is wrong?
Jon naman,I never said anything about forgeting inconsequential stuff.
I have spoken very much of priorities.Praiorities also means dealing w/ things in a systematic way.I don’t know the nature of your job in HK but I’m sure your not kalat and that also means you have an orderly way of doing your job and your appreciated by that.
Jon, it’s also a free market.People are free to meke choices of how to spend their money.
I’m sure you do that also.Does that make you a bad person?
In my other entries.I also mentioned that us a professional I behave myself w/ high moral standards.It is a choice that I do as an individual.I don’t waste my time judging others for what they do.
I think it’s every individual hope & dream to prosper & we must not deny it to anyone.
In the case of the Philippines it’s a bit more complicated.Because politics like a cancer has invaded all aspects of our lives.
It seems that as a society we are so confussed already.
That is why I advocate that we come up w/ praiorities.
At times it seems to me that our society is alike a baby crieing & since babies can’t talk to express themselves they cry.
We seem to be one big baby constantly crieing & complaining.We seem to like everything but don’t know where to start.
It can’t be that your always right & everybody is wrong?

]]> By: Jon http://www.quezon.ph/2005/12/31/new-years-cheers-and-jeers/comment-page-1/#comment-8411 Jon Wed, 04 Jan 2006 03:06:42 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/blog/?p=782#comment-8411 System change takes a long time but that's where we should be heading. I agree that it's what we need. System change takes a long time but that’s where we should be heading. I agree that it’s what we need.

]]> By: Carl http://www.quezon.ph/2005/12/31/new-years-cheers-and-jeers/comment-page-1/#comment-8408 Carl Wed, 04 Jan 2006 02:06:49 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/blog/?p=782#comment-8408 As cvj, points out, in the weaning process, the survivors, who are usually of the more opportunistic and ruthless kind, come out ahead. This was very apparent in EDSA I. The well-meaning characters faded into the background. Chino Roces, Pepe Diokno and others like them were sidelined, while the snakes in the grass such as Peping Cojuangco, Monching Mitra, Jojo Binay, Nene Pimentel and others like them, got fat on the hog. They were soon joined by Marcos-era survivors like JDV, Chavit Singson, the Dy's of Isabela , the Josons, Erap, Johnny Enrile and others like them. Added to the mix were Marcos-era cronies like Lucio Tan, Danding Cojuangco, the Camposes, Tony Boy Cojuangco, the Floiriendos and others like them. Pretty soon you had the same potpourri of corrupt businessmen and politicians running the show. Chances are, even if we changed GMA now, this situation will prevail unless there is systemic change. As cvj, points out, in the weaning process, the survivors, who are usually of the more opportunistic and ruthless kind, come out ahead. This was very apparent in EDSA I. The well-meaning characters faded into the background. Chino Roces, Pepe Diokno and others like them were sidelined, while the snakes in the grass such as Peping Cojuangco, Monching Mitra, Jojo Binay, Nene Pimentel and others like them, got fat on the hog. They were soon joined by Marcos-era survivors like JDV, Chavit Singson, the Dy’s of Isabela , the Josons, Erap, Johnny Enrile and others like them. Added to the mix were Marcos-era cronies like Lucio Tan, Danding Cojuangco, the Camposes, Tony Boy Cojuangco, the Floiriendos and others like them. Pretty soon you had the same potpourri of corrupt businessmen and politicians running the show. Chances are, even if we changed GMA now, this situation will prevail unless there is systemic change.

]]> By: cvj http://www.quezon.ph/2005/12/31/new-years-cheers-and-jeers/comment-page-1/#comment-8406 cvj Wed, 04 Jan 2006 01:26:40 +0000 http://www.quezon.ph/blog/?p=782#comment-8406 Jon, actually, when that time comes, i'm not even sure whether we'll find ourselves on the 'winning side'. I can imagine certain revolutionary situations where the middle class as a whole is identified by the revolutionaries as by and large having collaborated with the oligarchy too closely. Historically,purges or cleansings tend not to be controllable. That's why a soft landing scenario is preferable. Jon, actually, when that time comes, i’m not even sure whether we’ll find ourselves on the ‘winning side’. I can imagine certain revolutionary situations where the middle class as a whole is identified by the revolutionaries as by and large having collaborated with the oligarchy too closely. Historically,purges or cleansings tend not to be controllable. That’s why a soft landing scenario is preferable.

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