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		<title>By: MitaMS</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2005/10/26/notes/comment-page-1/#comment-5488</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 28 Oct 2005 00:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think our real problem is our national insecurity which results in our lack of respect for instituions, our government and our responsibilities to the country.  Deep-down, Filipinos do not believe in themselves and our nation. Anything &quot;foreign&quot; is better.  When we find ourselves in foreign lands we become the epitome of decorum and diligence.  The truth is, we invest in our families or our baluarte but woefully neglect our responsibilities as citizens of our own country.  A responsible citizenry would not have allowed  Martial Law and a Marcos dictatorshop.  We still have to take responsibility for that as a citizenry.  

Think how this extends to every aspect of life.  Like in politics...we have no strong parties because the politicians cannot stick to parties they themselves started. There&#039;s no faith, no trust, no loyalty to the country anymore.  

My 75-year old mother told me long ago how &quot;urbanidad&quot; has been disintegrating in society since WW2.  She attributed it to the difficulties people experienced during those times.  But Martial Law, she said, was the worst for Philipiine society because most individuals leaned towards the &quot;dog eat dog&quot; mentality.

Our state of affairs is sad but I am still hopeful it&#039;s not all lost.  First of all, we have to build the ranks of the middle class and that&#039;s why it&#039;s so important to value and educate the masa and not marginalize them.  The masa today is tomorrow&#039;s middle class.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think our real problem is our national insecurity which results in our lack of respect for instituions, our government and our responsibilities to the country.  Deep-down, Filipinos do not believe in themselves and our nation. Anything &#8220;foreign&#8221; is better.  When we find ourselves in foreign lands we become the epitome of decorum and diligence.  The truth is, we invest in our families or our baluarte but woefully neglect our responsibilities as citizens of our own country.  A responsible citizenry would not have allowed  Martial Law and a Marcos dictatorshop.  We still have to take responsibility for that as a citizenry.  </p>
<p>Think how this extends to every aspect of life.  Like in politics&#8230;we have no strong parties because the politicians cannot stick to parties they themselves started. There&#8217;s no faith, no trust, no loyalty to the country anymore.  </p>
<p>My 75-year old mother told me long ago how &#8220;urbanidad&#8221; has been disintegrating in society since WW2.  She attributed it to the difficulties people experienced during those times.  But Martial Law, she said, was the worst for Philipiine society because most individuals leaned towards the &#8220;dog eat dog&#8221; mentality.</p>
<p>Our state of affairs is sad but I am still hopeful it&#8217;s not all lost.  First of all, we have to build the ranks of the middle class and that&#8217;s why it&#8217;s so important to value and educate the masa and not marginalize them.  The masa today is tomorrow&#8217;s middle class.</p>
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		<title>By: joselu</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2005/10/26/notes/comment-page-1/#comment-5486</link>
		<dc:creator>joselu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2005 12:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PopsJ, I like your quote.
Yes we must understand first &amp; it&#039;s not easy.
In politics there is no right &amp; wrong.They say it&#039;s the art of the impossible.Politis is what kept our electric bill very low for a long time because it was politicaly better to keep the people satisfied.Until Napocors bills went so high that now through taxes we are forced to pay it &amp; gone are the days of chip electricity.
The garci tapes where the deadliest political ploy ever in our history.A political prosedure in the form of impeachment was used.Impeachment, being a political tool &amp; not completely a Court presedure showed that politics decided that there where not enough bases to impeach the president.
I agree that the young congresman who endorsed the impeachment where a different lot.They endoresed a complaint based on an illegal source of information that is completely partisan.In every oppurtunity they spoke &amp; repeated countless times PGMA being a lier a chit &amp; a thief like trying to condition the peoples mind.The bottom line is after all their dramatics.They where not able to convince anybody that counted.It&#039;s all about politics that tries to get max media coverage.
Are these the people to look up too?
All they really did was spouce a popular cause.Do u really think their charges will stand in a court of law?
Politics is not about balck &amp; white.Politics is about gray areas or whatever is convient for a politicain.convient does not mean the right thing to do.
For decades this is how the country has been runed.Today we are seeing the consequences of so many political accomodations.
maybe you forget that normaly human nature is weak, it&#039;s selfish, it does not think of the good of the others.Sadly in our country it&#039;s 3 times more selfish.
PopJ, maybe it&#039;s better if we first agree on what we think politics should be &amp; compare it w/ what we see &amp; ask ourself why does our country not prosper when other societies prosper?
Do you remember when fuel was subsidized &amp; it was popular during marcos times but it hurt our economy.It added to our national debt that is burdening us to this day.That too was a political move to apeace the people.Do you agree that staff like that be done?
I think insted of TO MUCH POLITICS that we practice w/ obsesion &amp; makes us act irrationaly.We must be more concerned w/ getting our minds &amp; energies together to help each other and not use the poor always as an excuse to justify selfish ends.
Do you agree that the senators act &quot;independently&quot; in the processes creating a gridlock that drugs the country down?Do you really think their not protecting something else &amp; the good of the country comes in second only?
yes it&#039;s true if you really understand than you will know why politics is bringing all of us down.Question is,Is that what you really want?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PopsJ, I like your quote.<br />
Yes we must understand first &amp; it&#8217;s not easy.<br />
In politics there is no right &amp; wrong.They say it&#8217;s the art of the impossible.Politis is what kept our electric bill very low for a long time because it was politicaly better to keep the people satisfied.Until Napocors bills went so high that now through taxes we are forced to pay it &amp; gone are the days of chip electricity.<br />
The garci tapes where the deadliest political ploy ever in our history.A political prosedure in the form of impeachment was used.Impeachment, being a political tool &amp; not completely a Court presedure showed that politics decided that there where not enough bases to impeach the president.<br />
I agree that the young congresman who endorsed the impeachment where a different lot.They endoresed a complaint based on an illegal source of information that is completely partisan.In every oppurtunity they spoke &amp; repeated countless times PGMA being a lier a chit &amp; a thief like trying to condition the peoples mind.The bottom line is after all their dramatics.They where not able to convince anybody that counted.It&#8217;s all about politics that tries to get max media coverage.<br />
Are these the people to look up too?<br />
All they really did was spouce a popular cause.Do u really think their charges will stand in a court of law?<br />
Politics is not about balck &amp; white.Politics is about gray areas or whatever is convient for a politicain.convient does not mean the right thing to do.<br />
For decades this is how the country has been runed.Today we are seeing the consequences of so many political accomodations.<br />
maybe you forget that normaly human nature is weak, it&#8217;s selfish, it does not think of the good of the others.Sadly in our country it&#8217;s 3 times more selfish.<br />
PopJ, maybe it&#8217;s better if we first agree on what we think politics should be &amp; compare it w/ what we see &amp; ask ourself why does our country not prosper when other societies prosper?<br />
Do you remember when fuel was subsidized &amp; it was popular during marcos times but it hurt our economy.It added to our national debt that is burdening us to this day.That too was a political move to apeace the people.Do you agree that staff like that be done?<br />
I think insted of TO MUCH POLITICS that we practice w/ obsesion &amp; makes us act irrationaly.We must be more concerned w/ getting our minds &amp; energies together to help each other and not use the poor always as an excuse to justify selfish ends.<br />
Do you agree that the senators act &#8220;independently&#8221; in the processes creating a gridlock that drugs the country down?Do you really think their not protecting something else &amp; the good of the country comes in second only?<br />
yes it&#8217;s true if you really understand than you will know why politics is bringing all of us down.Question is,Is that what you really want?</p>
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		<title>By: PopsJ</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2005/10/26/notes/comment-page-1/#comment-5485</link>
		<dc:creator>PopsJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2005 09:49:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The young congressmen who endorsed the impeachment are a different lot. To me, i look at them as beacons of hope for our native p.i. Joselu, i disagree with you that we should set politics aside. If one wants to be selfish, yes one can do that. What we have now, is what we deserved. But to have regrets. Sorry, not me. I just think of what better things I can do for myself, my family and my country. One&#039;s analysis is never perfect. Even MLQIII&#039;s.  

Dr. Stephen R. Covey said &#039;Seek first to understand then to be understood&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The young congressmen who endorsed the impeachment are a different lot. To me, i look at them as beacons of hope for our native p.i. Joselu, i disagree with you that we should set politics aside. If one wants to be selfish, yes one can do that. What we have now, is what we deserved. But to have regrets. Sorry, not me. I just think of what better things I can do for myself, my family and my country. One&#8217;s analysis is never perfect. Even MLQIII&#8217;s.  </p>
<p>Dr. Stephen R. Covey said &#8216;Seek first to understand then to be understood&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: joselu</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2005/10/26/notes/comment-page-1/#comment-5483</link>
		<dc:creator>joselu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2005 08:10:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>cont. lang, was interupted at work.anyway,it&#039;s because we have very shallow roots, our educational system is wanting.we as pinoys come from so many backgrounds but surely the majority who has been locked-up in an island life w/ lil or no exposure at all of a wider world.add to that selfish, reckless politician and what do you get!!!!
I really think we must POLITICS ASIDE!!!!!
Our culture of politics is based of selfishness and above all exploiting peoples ignorance!!!!
Our culture is turning into a culture of animals where anything goes.where the means justifies the end!
The garci tapes are the best exsample of WHATEVER MEANS TO UNCERTAIN ENDS!!!!!!!!!!
Manolo, I have worked in media &amp; I have been bribed by politicians.I have never felt so insulted in my life in those times!!!!I have principles &amp; material security but I know so many don&#039;t!!
Ambitiuous politicians ruin people &amp; I know that for a fact!!!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>cont. lang, was interupted at work.anyway,it&#8217;s because we have very shallow roots, our educational system is wanting.we as pinoys come from so many backgrounds but surely the majority who has been locked-up in an island life w/ lil or no exposure at all of a wider world.add to that selfish, reckless politician and what do you get!!!!<br />
I really think we must POLITICS ASIDE!!!!!<br />
Our culture of politics is based of selfishness and above all exploiting peoples ignorance!!!!<br />
Our culture is turning into a culture of animals where anything goes.where the means justifies the end!<br />
The garci tapes are the best exsample of WHATEVER MEANS TO UNCERTAIN ENDS!!!!!!!!!!<br />
Manolo, I have worked in media &amp; I have been bribed by politicians.I have never felt so insulted in my life in those times!!!!I have principles &amp; material security but I know so many don&#8217;t!!<br />
Ambitiuous politicians ruin people &amp; I know that for a fact!!!</p>
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		<title>By: rgcruz</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2005/10/26/notes/comment-page-1/#comment-5482</link>
		<dc:creator>rgcruz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2005 07:52:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>but don&#039;t you think that here, polticians&#039; personal interest are driven just by their pockets and ambitions and lust for power?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>but don&#8217;t you think that here, polticians&#8217; personal interest are driven just by their pockets and ambitions and lust for power?</p>
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		<title>By: rgcruz</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2005/10/26/notes/comment-page-1/#comment-5481</link>
		<dc:creator>rgcruz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2005 07:49:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>BUt dont you think that here in the Philippines,
politcians are driven by very personal interests, like their pockets and personal ambitions?

Just asking.

because I think that&#039;s the case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>BUt dont you think that here in the Philippines,<br />
politcians are driven by very personal interests, like their pockets and personal ambitions?</p>
<p>Just asking.</p>
<p>because I think that&#8217;s the case.</p>
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		<title>By: Carl</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2005/10/26/notes/comment-page-1/#comment-5480</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2005 07:40:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re Federalism, it&#039;s not only the MILF that wants it. Christians in Mindanao would very much want their own self-determination, too. Mindanao can indeed become very prosperous if only it were as detached from the Philippines as much as possible.

Re business intervention in politics, it is often a defensive move on the part of established businesses. In a country where the sanctity of contracts is not honored, businesses can be subjected to harassment from politicians. Even regulatory agencies can be used to harass business by subjecting all requirements to harsh scrutiny. To avoid this, businesses often have to take a proactive stance, which is to finance certain candidates. who will in turn protect them. Of course, there are &quot;crony&quot; businesses that totally depend on political patronage. These include those involving government franchises or services. Garbage hauling, security services and public works contracting are the most common examples.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re Federalism, it&#8217;s not only the MILF that wants it. Christians in Mindanao would very much want their own self-determination, too. Mindanao can indeed become very prosperous if only it were as detached from the Philippines as much as possible.</p>
<p>Re business intervention in politics, it is often a defensive move on the part of established businesses. In a country where the sanctity of contracts is not honored, businesses can be subjected to harassment from politicians. Even regulatory agencies can be used to harass business by subjecting all requirements to harsh scrutiny. To avoid this, businesses often have to take a proactive stance, which is to finance certain candidates. who will in turn protect them. Of course, there are &#8220;crony&#8221; businesses that totally depend on political patronage. These include those involving government franchises or services. Garbage hauling, security services and public works contracting are the most common examples.</p>
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		<title>By: joselu</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2005/10/26/notes/comment-page-1/#comment-5479</link>
		<dc:creator>joselu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2005 07:37:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Manolo, i guess you are a super lover of democracy, but honestly, your line of loving liberty then being subjected to tyrany makes me wounder if that is a line out of a book or is a real thing.
My question really is, how come other countries practice politics too &amp; have ambitious politician too.How come they prosper &amp; we don&#039;t?
It seems to me that we insted have over politized anything &amp; everything.So much so that today we are is such deep shit that it&#039;s dificult to diferentiate things already.
I think befor we &quot;play politics&quot; we must first be responsible human beings.We have to be humane and understand right from wrong.
It seems to me that we are pretending so much.But the tragic part of all is that as a nation we have very shallow.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Manolo, i guess you are a super lover of democracy, but honestly, your line of loving liberty then being subjected to tyrany makes me wounder if that is a line out of a book or is a real thing.<br />
My question really is, how come other countries practice politics too &amp; have ambitious politician too.How come they prosper &amp; we don&#8217;t?<br />
It seems to me that we insted have over politized anything &amp; everything.So much so that today we are is such deep shit that it&#8217;s dificult to diferentiate things already.<br />
I think befor we &#8220;play politics&#8221; we must first be responsible human beings.We have to be humane and understand right from wrong.<br />
It seems to me that we are pretending so much.But the tragic part of all is that as a nation we have very shallow.</p>
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		<title>By: kulas</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2005/10/26/notes/comment-page-1/#comment-5478</link>
		<dc:creator>kulas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2005 03:54:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>mlq3, with all my due respect, i think that the present generation of civil servants are more Ã¢â‚¬Å“properly  equippedÃ¢â‚¬Â than those who are Ã¢â‚¬Å“fading away from the sceneÃ¢â‚¬Â. i think  for the past 30 years or so, government institutions  have  invested so much  in human resource development. in addition to this,   we have received innumerable  grants for research, trainings and seminars for a wide spectrum of fields of specializations in governance from almost all, if not all, developed countries. but I do agree that there is still so much incompetence in the bureaucracy. the incompetence can come from   Ã¢â‚¬Å“properly equippedÃ¢â‚¬Â but  disgruntled civil servants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>mlq3, with all my due respect, i think that the present generation of civil servants are more Ã¢â‚¬Å“properly  equippedÃ¢â‚¬Â than those who are Ã¢â‚¬Å“fading away from the sceneÃ¢â‚¬Â. i think  for the past 30 years or so, government institutions  have  invested so much  in human resource development. in addition to this,   we have received innumerable  grants for research, trainings and seminars for a wide spectrum of fields of specializations in governance from almost all, if not all, developed countries. but I do agree that there is still so much incompetence in the bureaucracy. the incompetence can come from   Ã¢â‚¬Å“properly equippedÃ¢â‚¬Â but  disgruntled civil servants.</p>
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		<title>By: mlq3</title>
		<link>http://www.quezon.ph/2005/10/26/notes/comment-page-1/#comment-5476</link>
		<dc:creator>mlq3</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Oct 2005 17:38:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Rg -good you passed by. I&#039;ve been meaning to find a way to tell you to turn on commenting in your blog: it&#039;s frustrating to read your entries when one can&#039;t react. 

Political interests are what provide the fuel, the motive, so to speak, to espouse principles. Nothing, for example, makes a person love liberty than being subjected to tyrrany. Only then do you realize that principles count, and then you harness everything within your means to defend that principle. The unprincipled politician needs principles, if only tactically, and the statesman is the politician who realizes that defending a principle is satisfying in and of itself.

A good example is how people distrust ambition, when I would fundamentally distrust a politician without ambition: if you don&#039;t want to be great, then you have no business trying to convince people to waste their votes on you.

The view that we are better at using the Americans than the Americans have been at using us is not new, there is even a book about, &quot;Illusions of Influence,&quot; which makes for a great read. Filipinos just like to think they&#039;re victims because it&#039;s reassuring and gives a way out from the responsibility the public likes to place on its leaders. As the Spanish saying goes, as the people, so is the government. Our Leftist friends, for one, want to keep the people pure and clean and blame everything on the leaders -but the leaders were placed there by the people, and reflect the values of the people at any given time.

The impression I got was pretty depressing -so much potential, so little of it being realized, they basically say, and add to that their almost inflexible conviction that we&#039;re stuck in a rut. Some pretty basic tweaks to the system would get it out of the rut: but they don&#039;t see anyone in a position to take this more strategic view.

Their views reflect some of what I hear people here at home saying: fix the justice system, it&#039;s the root of all our evils. And have a credible election: if Indonesia could learn from our mistakes, so can we.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Rg -good you passed by. I&#8217;ve been meaning to find a way to tell you to turn on commenting in your blog: it&#8217;s frustrating to read your entries when one can&#8217;t react. </p>
<p>Political interests are what provide the fuel, the motive, so to speak, to espouse principles. Nothing, for example, makes a person love liberty than being subjected to tyrrany. Only then do you realize that principles count, and then you harness everything within your means to defend that principle. The unprincipled politician needs principles, if only tactically, and the statesman is the politician who realizes that defending a principle is satisfying in and of itself.</p>
<p>A good example is how people distrust ambition, when I would fundamentally distrust a politician without ambition: if you don&#8217;t want to be great, then you have no business trying to convince people to waste their votes on you.</p>
<p>The view that we are better at using the Americans than the Americans have been at using us is not new, there is even a book about, &#8220;Illusions of Influence,&#8221; which makes for a great read. Filipinos just like to think they&#8217;re victims because it&#8217;s reassuring and gives a way out from the responsibility the public likes to place on its leaders. As the Spanish saying goes, as the people, so is the government. Our Leftist friends, for one, want to keep the people pure and clean and blame everything on the leaders -but the leaders were placed there by the people, and reflect the values of the people at any given time.</p>
<p>The impression I got was pretty depressing -so much potential, so little of it being realized, they basically say, and add to that their almost inflexible conviction that we&#8217;re stuck in a rut. Some pretty basic tweaks to the system would get it out of the rut: but they don&#8217;t see anyone in a position to take this more strategic view.</p>
<p>Their views reflect some of what I hear people here at home saying: fix the justice system, it&#8217;s the root of all our evils. And have a credible election: if Indonesia could learn from our mistakes, so can we.</p>
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